A good friend of mine got the following email today:
Important information about your email service
In a few weeks, we will be making some changes to our email services that might impact your @outlook.com, @hotmail, @live, or @msn email account. Those changes will prevent your email from being delivered to the Windows Live Mail 2012 application you use.
In order to continue using Windows Live Mail 2012 to send and receive email for your account, you need to install the latest update published here.
If you use Windows Live Mail 2012 on Windows 8, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10, we recommend that you switch to the built in Mail app in Windows to stay connected and get the latest feature updates on Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10.
Windows Live Essentials 2009 and 2011 are not supported anymore, and you will need to update to Windows 8/8.1 or Windows 10 and use the Mail app, or use www.outlook.com. To learn more about the Mail app, please click here.
We also recommend all Windows Live Mail users on Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 to upgrade to Windows 10 and use the built in Mail application to stay connected and get the latest feature updates.
We suggest saving this email so you can refer to it later.
Thanks for your understanding and continued use.
The Outlook team
Although not officially mentioned in the message, Windows Live Mail 2012 uses the DeltaSync protocol to send and receive email for Outlook.com/Hotmail accounts, so it can be assumed that they are discontinuing this protocol. Prior to DeltaSync’s creation, Outlook Express used WebDAV, which itself was shut down in 2009.
As much as I can tell, after installing this patch, Live Mail will no longer work on Windows 10. Live Mail opens up, but within seconds it crashes:
Additionally, the Exchange ActiveSync support is extremely rudimentary and fixes none of the existing issues with mail notifications.
I’ve continued and elaborated my discoveries, as well as how to revert the patch on my next post.
This changed yesterday as the Plus! download page now indicates that it is no longer available:
Messenger Plus! for Windows Live MessengerMessenger Plus! For Windows Live Messenger has been discontinued.
Thank you for your support over the years.
Please try Messenger Plus! For Skype.
UPDATE – Oct 12, 2015: A newer version (1.10.7000.0) is now included in Windows Insider Build 10565 which you can try out yourself by joining the Windows Insider program and being in the Fast ring. Among possible other fixes, it includes a full emoticon set and the Ctrl key doesn’t seem to be sticking.
A version of Windows 10 leaked out late last week and contained within it was the long-awaited Windows Messaging Universal app.
Supposedly written from scratch, it’s the successor to the Messaging app contained in Windows 8.0 and the Skype WinRT app previously available (since withdrawn). The executable is still named SkypeApp.exe however.
For these keeping track, this app is labelled as version Windows Messaging 1.9.26001.0:
The user interface is barren when you begin. But soon fills up when you start conversations:When sending messages, Messaging claims they’re being delivered on Skype, which is technically not accurate as I was signed in with a non-linked Skype account and speaking only to .NET Messenger contacts. I suspect Microsoft is trying its best to blur the difference.
Messaging runs in the background separate from the user interface itself and appears as a second location in Messenger while you’re logged into Windows. After starting it for the first time, it took a while to start working initially and during usage, regularly disconnected. There was no indicator in the actual Messaging app when these disconnections occurred and although messages appeared in the window as being sent, they weren’t delivered until later. UPDATE: I observed later in the Event Log that the background SkypeHost.exe process was constantly crashing. This is most likely the cause of the disconnections observed in the client.
Emoticons are extremely limited in this version, as well as being static and non-animated. Space bar and backspace buttons are added presumably for use on touchscreens. You can bring up Windows’ touch keyboard and use its standard emoji though. You certainly won’t be finding any custom emoticons here.
The paperclip in the conversation window does not function yet, but I assume will be used for sending files when activated.
There’s an integrated search function but it seems quite limited in its results as shown as individual lines of text. Typing your search term too quickly seems to not put the search through, although adding a space to the end seems to help:
I also encountered multiple instances where it seems the Ctrl key on the keyboard got “stuck”. Here’s an example where I’m trying to type Jon and as Ctrl-N starts a new conversation, when I get to the letter n, it starts a new window:
This problem was reproducible on multiple machines, so I don’t believe this to be a hardware problem. At least I was able to successfully put in my name by copy/pasting it to the box.
Toast notifications for Messaging have a textbox to reply back to sending contact and although you can type in them, I’ve found they work inconsistently.
A significant problem with the notifications is that once they’re gone, there’s no little indication that you received a message. The Messaging taskbar icon does not blink and the only way you’ll know you received a message is by opening up the Action Center or the Messaging app.
I’ll note that the notifications broke on all my machines after some light usage and never seemed to worked again, even after multiple reboots.
Sending messages is a bit painful right now, as upon presssing Enter to send a message, it adds a new line to the textbox instead of just sending the message. You have to press Ctrl-Enter to actually send the message. Hopefully this will changed or be an option in later builds.
Messaging has a select option and is the first of the built-in Windows 10 apps to support select all (a feature still painfully missing in Windows 10’s Mail app). You can select conversations to mute or delete, as well as Delete, Copy and Forward individual messages.
When you forward the message, Messaging makes a new empty conversation with that same text and if you switch to another conversation, it will make a draft just like an e-mail client.
I’ve connected Cortana and Mail to my Office 365 account and Messaging seems to know about that too:
Searching the Office 365 Directory didn’t seem to work yet however. If you push the + button in the corner, another window shows all your contacts and offers to search the Skype Directory. This doesn’t work either as it attempts to load a “skypepage” that doesn’t exist.
Messaging uses a separate Skype Video app to do voice and video conversations. I wasn’t able to get it to successfully call another computer but it does appear at least try to make a connection:
Unfortunately you won’t find winks, custom emoticons, display names, animated display pictures, nudging, coloured text, customization, games, voice clips, or any other of the standard Messenger features in this application. I couldn’t find an Options screen, so there isn’t much in the way of things to tweak.
Even compared to Windows Messenger that came with Windows XP, nevermind modern instant messaging clients like Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Viber, Telegram or Kik, Messaging still has a long way to go.
Within the last few hours, the Messenger “bay” group of servers all went dark causing outages for a small number of Messenger accounts whom Microsoft has deemed only usable on that group of servers.
If this affected you, the error code you would have seen was 80072efd or in more useful terms, Can’t connect to server.
A good chunk of the servers have now returned and those accounts should now again be operational.
Given that we’ve seen larger changes happen around this time on Thursdays in the past, I highly suspect they were offline for some sort of maintenance, possibly related to the new Skype web client in Outlook.com.
As always, you can monitor the servers yourself by going to dx’s ever useful ismsndeadyet.com (choose “Click to show needlessly detailed server status”).
It’s no small thing to say that the reaction to Windows Live Messenger 2009 and related clients that use the older Messenger protocol has been pretty intense. Regardless if you’re using Windows XP, you have a favourite feature that’s missing in the 2012 version, or you simply do not want to use Skype, it seems everyone is looking for another option to choose from.
Butterfly Messenger is an improved working version of the client used to demonstrate MSNPSharp. It supports the same protocol version as Windows Live Messenger 2012 (MSNP21), and has the a basic Messenger feature set.
The current release is an alpha version of Butterfly Messenger intended to be used to collect feedback on bugs, features and other changes. However, it is relatively stable and usable.
Butterfly Messenger currently requires Windows XP or above with at least the .NET Framework 2.0 or above installed.
Although MSNPSharp was deliberately written to support Mono (on other platforms), the client presently does not run on Mono (but probably works on WINE), hopefully this will be addressed later for Linux and/or OS X compatibility.
Download and installation
You can now download the third alpha release of Butterfly Messenger. Due to the early nature of the project, it does not presently have an installer and you will need to extract the files to a folder of your choice and run it from there. Butterfly Messenger makes use of the Segoe UI font (like Messenger). If you do not have the Segoe UI font installed right now, you can install it from the Messenger 2009 files.
Feedback and bugs
Please feel free to leave quick comments here on this post, but if you wish to go in depth, you can make use of the Butterfly Messenger category on the forum.
- Depending on the situation, brand new conversation windows may blink even if they’re in focus. If you start typing a reply, they should stop blinking.
- Flickering in the contact list.
- Custom emoticons will appear, but the current conversation window does not support animated GIFs. Animated GIF display pictures work though.
- You cannot rename contacts.
Butterfly Messenger is open source software and based on the MSNPSharp project code. A repository will be set up shortly once more details about the project have been finalized.
|Oct 10 2015||0.1.2.0||
|Sep 23 2015||0.1.1.0||
|Mar 25 2015||0.1.0.0||
I’m sorry to report that this Thursday’s update ends the last bit of trickery for any clients prior to Windows Live Messenger 2012 (MSN Protocol Version 21).
You can see this for yourself using dx’s server list on www.ismsndeadyet.com.
On Thursday, February 26th, most of the servers removed MSNP18 support, but left a few bn1 servers allowing the old version and all db3 servers.
On Thursday, March 5th, the last of the bn1 servers removed MSNP18 support, leaving only db3 servers.
On Thursday, March 12th, the last of the db3 servers removed MSNP18 support.
If you’re using Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10, and wish to continue using Messenger on its own, you will need to upgrade to Windows Live Messenger 2012. You can do so by downloading and running Reviver again, clicking the Advanced button, selecting “Do a new Messenger install” and choosing Windows Live Messenger 2012.
If you’re using Windows Vista, despite being unsupported officially, with a workaround you can install Windows Live Messenger 2012 too. I’ll be detailing this process shortly.
If you’re using Windows XP, Mac OS X, Linux, or any other non-Microsoft Messenger client (as of this writing, none I’m aware of support MSN Protocol 21), you will need to either use Skype or the web-based client in Outlook.com. My efforts on bridging an interface between the newer and older protocol wasn’t terribly successful so far. You can always use Messenger 2009 or other clients if they’re made to work again.
This is the end of an era. Messenger Reviver 2 supported these older clients (including the popular 2009 version) from April 23 2013 to March 12 2015, they will be missed.
If you’ve been relying on the workaround from last week for versions of Messenger prior to 2012, beginning just a few minutes ago, a number of the Messenger servers disappeared and sign-ins on these prior versions are once again failing with error code 80072efd (which means, can’t connect).
Another workaround I was trying this week has not been successful, so you’ll have to upgrade to 2012, use the web-based Messenger version on Outlook.com or upgrade to Skype.
To upgrade to 2012 on Windows 7, launch Messenger Reviver 2, choose the Advanced button, then select Do a new Messenger install, and then choose Windows Live Messenger 2012.
If you’re using Windows Vista, version 2011 will not presently allow you to sign in, but this should be fixable eventually as it uses the same version of the protocol as 2012.
If you’re using Windows XP, you will need to use Outlook.com or upgrade to Skype for now.
A small number of users using pre-2012 versions are redirected into the “db3” servers, which revived clients will now automatically try. With this in mind, if you are one of the lucky ones with an account that operates in this way, you may till be able to sign in or have contacts that do using these old versions.
Note: conversations on 2012 are sporadic right now, I’m going to assume once the current server changes are completed, it will go back to normal.
Starting a few minutes ago, new sign-in attempts to Messenger are being rejected and depending on your account, you’ll now receive either error code 81000305 or 80004005. Normally during the sign in process, the client and the server will negotiate the version of the protocol being used to access the service, but unfortunately the server is now rejecting the major versions of the Messenger protocol up to 18 (used by Messenger 2009).
With that said, Windows Live Messenger 2012 is still working over HTTPS. If you need Messenger access right now, please either install Messenger 2012 or use the Messenger client in Outlook.com.
UPDATE (Feb 26/2015 18:24 EST): A workaround is now in place as one of the servers hasn’t been updated yet, but it most likely will not last long. As this workaround is being done on the server side (DNS), depending on your ISP, it may take several hours. Some accounts will still not be able to connect.
Within the last 24-hours or so, a handful of users have let me know that they haven’t been able to sign into Messenger and are receiving error code 80072efd (which means quite simply, “can’t connect”).
This new problem is related to earlier changes Microsoft has made to push Messenger to HTTP and then also to HTTPS. Now, another group of the Messenger servers no longer are accepting all connections (specifically HTTP and Messenger protocol). Although Reviver 2.4.0 attempts to address this, because of these changes, at times you will sometimes be sent to servers which older versions of Messenger can no longer connect to.
Despite a good number of sign-in attempts, I have yet to experience the problem, and it seems to be a matter of (bad) luck. It’s certainly possible this was happening before, but it’s only now become an issue. A good percentage of those who have had the problem have been able to get back in by simply trying again later.
Unfortunately, there’s no particular elegant fix for this without some software development, but if you’re consistently seeing this problem and wouldn’t mind doing a bit of beta testing on some possible fixes, leave a comment below indicating so and I’ll follow-up with you.
Additionally, Windows Live Messenger 2012 should not have the problem, so if you are using Windows 7 or above, you can upgrade to 2012. To do so, download and run Reviver, choose the Advanced button, then Do a new Messenger install, and then choose Windows Live Messenger 2012.